I think that we African people have to be very careful of assuming that because white colonial powers ("former" and current) are attacking a black leader (wherever that leader is located in the world), the policies, beliefs and practices of that black leader should automatically be defended. Mugabe may not be Mobutu but it appears that he's heading strong in that direction in his effort to hold onto Zanu PF power over the country.
First : I am a Black Zimbawean with more respect in any Harare ghetto than Mugabe. I sang, wrote and pushed about land redistribution when the honourable Father Zimbabwe, Joshua Nkomo was doing the same and Mugabe was busy trying out and shopping suits of the highest Royal Flavour at Harrods.
Please do not be misled about Lancaster house commitments...Mugabe has never been held by any commitments...not even his own. You DO NOT KNOW WHO YOU TALK ABOUT. The discussions on land were progressing well mediated by Obasanjo (nigerian President) when Mugabe in typical stranded rudebwuoy style began pulling his sleeves and encouraging war veterans and ZANU PF militia to invade the farms. Farms were invaded, both black (farm workers)and white people beaten, tortured and raped and their property stolen. I say Mugabe destroyed his country because you only need to look at productivity 8 years ago compared to today...AGain I repeat YOU DO NOT KNOW WHO YOU TALK ABOUT. You are in search of black heros. Mugabe is not one of them...Sonn after 1980 he tried to exterminate the Ndebele Tribe from where an uprising had emerged. He killed mothers and fathers just because their children had risen against him in support of the Honourable late Father Zimbabwe: Joshua Nkomo Please consult your HIstory books or educated PAna African friends and they will tell you about Mugabe. Fine, he did join and inspire the liberators during the war of liberation but because of his dishonest ways , selfishness and dictatorial tendencies...he has lost all the respect he had gained. You can even check with his own party hierarchy...they are behind him only beacuse they fear him and he affords them a living nobody believes he will deliver for Zimbabwe...thats why last year saw many people discussing his successorship...who he dealt with ruthlessly.
Do you know that a TWO DAYS AFTER ELECTIONS ENDED it was announced that the country had run out of maize and all other basic commodities such as fuel, beef, cooking oil etc. Everyone knows wherenthe maize went...it was used to buy rural votes and Mugabe acknowledged this on international TV.
Please do not give me any of that 'Africanness' Talk... I am not there to prove my identity to you. Ndiri mwana wevhu anobva Ku Masvingo guta rakare kare renyika yeZimbabwe.
I am a level above 'just talk' having researched urban and rural Zimbabwean opinions which form the basis of my understanding ZImbabwean needs. Ask yourself why in 3 years Zimbabweans abroad have grown from a few thousands to million farm s (in a country with 11 miilion people) if everything was rosy and there was a lot of land to farm. My brother in law and mother were removed from farms after huge investments into the farms which were given to Mugabe loyalists - together with the crop they had farmed. And you ask me for my credentials.
I could write the whole day...but if you are serious about Zimbabwe...read Zimbabwean newspapers both Zanu PF propaganda and surviving independent newspapers.
I will say it again and again...THE LAND ISSUE WAS MEANT TO DIVERT NEGATIVE INITIATIVES BY MUGABE SUCH AS THE DRC WAR AND MEANT TO PROP HIS POSITION BY MAKING AN EMOTIONAL APPEAL BASED ON LAND.
Do you know what his campaign pltaform for the just ended election was: 'The Anti-Blair Election'. Seriously...in a country with 75% unemployement US$1=Zim $18000, 150% inflation, near stagnant growth rate. Is this man serious?
Go and look for African heroes elsewhere...even Obasanjo has dumped him...he saw that this man has gone crazy. Mbeki is just too courteous....And he flew all the way to Vatican for the funeral when he cannot even face the Archbishop of Bulawayo. Of course who cares about the Vatican in Zimbabwe...except Mugabe OF COURSE.
Wait until Jonathan Moyo's (his ex Propaganda Chief) book on Serving in Mugabe's Regime is released then you can talk from a knowledgeable point of view...now seem too emotional to picture Mugabe as a Black Hero ...at the expense of us Zimbabweans. You may think you are doing just to black liberation but are you being fair to the Zimbabweans who today do not have any food to eat - this is true?
Ayinde..and all the others who support Robert Mugabe on the basis that he did well for Zimbabwe by invading and destroying white owned farms, hear me a little: Mugabe is an evil man who uses the good to justify the bad. Giving land to the poor to empower them is the good...but this is not the hallmark of Mugabe's regime. Firstly the land issue was only adopted last minute before the 2000 elections because it was the last card to play - divide the people on race; let the people hate MDC because it has a few white men in its party structures - send it to hell by associating it with recolonisation because it suggests a cleverer non politicised approach to redistribute land and eal with the issues bedevilling Zimbabwe. Secondly Mugabe's beiggest mistake was participation in the DRC where his generals looted diamonds and have been implicated by UN reports at the expense of Zimbabweans. Zimbabwean spent more than two years in the DRC...exhausting the foreign currency reserves that it badly needed on a war which benefitted only Mugabe's generals...
Thirdly...Rural Zimbabweans are too afraid to contemplate alternatives to Mugabe. THis is so open to obvious to anyone who has spent time in Zimbabwe on a genuine cause. Fourthly...land redistribution was not a priority for Zimbabweans and was even under consideration by the land committee set up at the Vic Falls Land summit...everything was on course. Being a researcher having done the most validated opinion polls in Zimbabwe bewteen 1998 and 2003 - I can confidently inform that Zimbabweans were worried about rising unemployment and food prices than fast tracked land reform. I can also confidently inform you that human rights abuses were so rampant that my co-workers particularly thos doing fieldwork were often arrested and sometimes kidnapped by war veterans and Zanu PF militia.
Even Mugabe's former information minister has said all these bad things about Mugabe - even though he was party to all the wrongs.
Black consciousness movements should be wary of bad black leaders who do bad and use the good to support their bad. It is not all that white peple do that is bad and it is not all that black people do that is good. In this case Mugabe is doing wrong that is why almosts all urban areas voted against him - because they can withstand the intimidation unlike the rural folks.
Talk to Zimbabweans to understand the Zim situation ..even Zanu PF people will inform you that the boss needs to go..but those who openly said it before the Zanu Congress last year were punished and expelled from the party.
BY the way did you see photos of Mugabe stretching out to greet Prince Charles his personal hero. After all his anti British talk. This man is an embarrassment. Please open Newszimbabwe.com and have a laugh...if the photos are still there.
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Please do not be misled about Lancaster house commitments...Mugabe has never been held by any commitments...not even his own. You DO NOT KNOW WHO YOU TALK ABOUT. The discussions on land were progressing well mediated by Obasanjo (nigerian President) when Mugabe in typical stranded rudebwuoy style began pulling his sleeves and encouraging war veterans and ZANU PF militia to invade the farms. Farms were invaded, both black (farm workers)and white people beaten, tortured and raped and their property stolen. I say Mugabe destroyed his country because you only need to look at productivity 8 years ago compared to today...AGain I repeat YOU DO NOT KNOW WHO YOU TALK ABOUT. You are in search of black heros. Mugabe is not one of them...Sonn after 1980 he tried to exterminate the Ndebele Tribe from where an uprising had emerged. He killed mothers and fathers just because their children had risen against him in support of the Honourable late Father Zimbabwe: Joshua Nkomo Please consult your HIstory books or educated PAna African friends and they will tell you about Mugabe. Fine, he did join and inspire the liberators during the war of liberation but because of his dishonest ways , selfishness and dictatorial tendencies...he has lost all the respect he had gained. You can even check with his own party hierarchy...they are behind him only beacuse they fear him and he affords them a living nobody believes he will deliver for Zimbabwe...thats why last year saw many people discussing his successorship...who he dealt with ruthlessly.
Do you know that a TWO DAYS AFTER ELECTIONS ENDED it was announced that the country had run out of maize and all other basic commodities such as fuel, beef, cooking oil etc. Everyone knows wherenthe maize went...it was used to buy rural votes and Mugabe acknowledged this on international TV.
Please do not give me any of that 'Africanness' Talk... I am not there to prove my identity to you. Ndiri mwana wevhu anobva Ku Masvingo guta rakare kare renyika yeZimbabwe.
I am a level above 'just talk' having researched urban and rural Zimbabwean opinions which form the basis of my understanding ZImbabwean needs. Ask yourself why in 3 years Zimbabweans abroad have grown from a few thousands to million farm s (in a country with 11 miilion people) if everything was rosy and there was a lot of land to farm. My brother in law and mother were removed from farms after huge investments into the farms which were given to Mugabe loyalists - together with the crop they had farmed. And you ask me for my credentials.
I could write the whole day...but if you are serious about Zimbabwe...read Zimbabwean newspapers both Zanu PF propaganda and surviving independent newspapers.
I will say it again and again...THE LAND ISSUE WAS MEANT TO DIVERT NEGATIVE INITIATIVES BY MUGABE SUCH AS THE DRC WAR AND MEANT TO PROP HIS POSITION BY MAKING AN EMOTIONAL APPEAL BASED ON LAND.
Do you know what his campaign pltaform for the just ended election was: 'The Anti-Blair Election'. Seriously...in a country with 75% unemployement US$1=Zim $18000, 150% inflation, near stagnant growth rate. Is this man serious?
Go and look for African heroes elsewhere...even Obasanjo has dumped him...he saw that this man has gone crazy. Mbeki is just too courteous....And he flew all the way to Vatican for the funeral when he cannot even face the Archbishop of Bulawayo. Of course who cares about the Vatican in Zimbabwe...except Mugabe OF COURSE.
Wait until Jonathan Moyo's (his ex Propaganda Chief) book on Serving in Mugabe's Regime is released then you can talk from a knowledgeable point of view...now seem too emotional to picture Mugabe as a Black Hero ...at the expense of us Zimbabweans. You may think you are doing just to black liberation but are you being fair to the Zimbabweans who today do not have any food to eat - this is true?
Think again Rasta.
zimbawean ras on zimbabwe.
RAS J
Thirdly...Rural Zimbabweans are too afraid to contemplate alternatives to Mugabe. THis is so open to obvious to anyone who has spent time in Zimbabwe on a genuine cause. Fourthly...land redistribution was not a priority for Zimbabweans and was even under consideration by the land committee set up at the Vic Falls Land summit...everything was on course. Being a researcher having done the most validated opinion polls in Zimbabwe bewteen 1998 and 2003 - I can confidently inform that Zimbabweans were worried about rising unemployment and food prices than fast tracked land reform. I can also confidently inform you that human rights abuses were so rampant that my co-workers particularly thos doing fieldwork were often arrested and sometimes kidnapped by war veterans and Zanu PF militia.
Even Mugabe's former information minister has said all these bad things about Mugabe - even though he was party to all the wrongs.
Black consciousness movements should be wary of bad black leaders who do bad and use the good to support their bad. It is not all that white peple do that is bad and it is not all that black people do that is good. In this case Mugabe is doing wrong that is why almosts all urban areas voted against him - because they can withstand the intimidation unlike the rural folks.
Talk to Zimbabweans to understand the Zim situation ..even Zanu PF people will inform you that the boss needs to go..but those who openly said it before the Zanu Congress last year were punished and expelled from the party.
Get your facts right.
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These post are from a zimbawean ras friend of mine, who knows all to well what goes on there
RAS J