Why the hell are we here? To jibber-jabber? To postulate and pretent that we are about the liberation of ourselves? There is so much chitter-chatter going on amoungst us about our liberation, but very little to no action to bring it about. This is one of many web sites that supposedly is intended to facilitate discussion to further our liberation, bt I notice that there is really very little discussion aimed at achieving that, just look at where most of the discussion takes place. We are all wrapped up in the Obama campaign or in other words, Amerikkklan electorial politics, making Obama the messiah and voting for him and his racist hypocratic party as our greatest hope.Ae at the same time we ignore and fail to support real grassroots struggles and efforts for social justice, then claim that we are aout our liberation. This is bullshit at best, and betrayal of our struggle at worst. It does not matter what color mask the oppressor wears, it is still the oppressor. Obama talks about "hunting down" Osama bin Laden who has never done anything to oppress us, yet he has never mentioned the institutional racist oppression of Amerikkka, because he says that he loves it, he embraces it, and promises to do all that he can to make sure that it remains paramount. Screw Obama and all that he stands for, and any knee-grow willing to stand with him in this nightmare claiming to be a "dream." I refuse to submit to the plantation politics being promoted by so many knee-grows in Amerikkka, including those on this site.
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I thought this was a place for relatively free people to discus being more or less free
How to expand that freedom and how to enjoy those freedoms
I guess you're right. There's not a lot of talk about that is there?
Had you ever pondered the notion that you may be "the oppressor"?
That something you utilize or consume enslaves another human being?
Chances are that thought never even crosses your mind.
But most of us are quite guilty of doing just that. And because it is not our intent most of us are totally, intentionally, sometimes brutally abusively oblivious and in denial of our misuses of other human beings.
Let's be truthful
either you own the plantation
work on the plantation
consume the products of the plantation or
you're a bum
Like Siddhartha, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed
Freedom is not really all that damned convenient.
And liberation requires you have something equal to trade for the manufactured things you desire.
The important part is how you treat the people that provide the things that sustain your living.
And this is why actively thinking people are wealthier than actively laboring people, because there are so few of one and so many of the others.
This is why rhetoric and logic are important, because without them you can't have collaboration.
It is difficult to accept what you say at face value when you lack the courage to say it our faces by hiding yours. You my ghostly friend are the type to throw a rock then hide your hand.
MalcolmXavier > Enoch MubarakNovember 4, 2008 at 1:01am
Enoch,
"My Firend" as John McCain is fond of saying with his face all in your head, what does it matter whether I post a pic of myself or not in order for your brain, mind, and soul to absorb the words that I speak. If you believe in "God," "Supreme Creator," or whatever, do you question the wisdom of the messages sent to you because you do not have a physical image of its source. You make me want to call you an asshole or an agent, but perhaps you are just an idiot.
Enoch Mubarak > MalcolmXavierNovember 4, 2008 at 1:22am
If my memory serves me right Jesus disciple's before accepting Jesus return told him that before we can accept what you profess at face value show us the nail marks in the palm of your hand.
In the spirit of black liberation I would rather you call me names then have you man -handle the sister. Black women are not designed by nature to go toe to toe and word for word with you but you and i can talk.
To begin with I replied to you with less than 3 sentences and yet you wasted no time in returning my reply with profanity and name calling.
That tells me a lot about your emotional and impulsive disposition and lack of communication skills. So then, why the hell are you here?
That is precisely what I think we need to ask this Brother--why IS he here? He professes to disdain 'discussion' rather than 'action', yet says this on a DISCUSSION site. The sister quite rightly asked him to define what he is talking about, whay he wants for the Diaspora (what would be WORKABLE for the children of Afrika?). Yet, he ignores this challenge from her. You made a legitimate point that given what e is laying down, why doesn't he show us his face, and he attacks you.
I say he is deliberately meaning to provoke hostility to disable discussion. Any fool knows that before collective action can be taken, we must talk to each other, and take into account what each of us thinks, wants, and hopes for, otherwise we are merely reconstituting the domination of our master, who does not know how to LEAD but only how to enslave.
Brother Xaviar, Sister Aisha is a free soul that you propose to lead, to inspire, to liberate from the 'plantation'? Why, then, does she not have the right to ask you what you mean, what your plan is, what place she has in it? Why don't you answer her, if liberation is really what you believe in? Everyone on this site is listening. We TALK here. You might do well to do less talking about action and more listening to those you exhort to acting.
MalcolmXavier > Rayfield A. WallerMay 15, 2009 at 3:02pm
Excuse me brotha,but you come months late and really short, for she never asked me anything. Get your facts straight "Dr." before you move to chastise, and if you would put your head on straight then you would understand that my point was that getting our heads clear as to where we are, what we are, and what we are dealing with is the first action that we must take. My response to the sistah was to disagree with her notion of "fitting in," which is not "action." You may have a Phd.,but your response reflects a lack of reading comprehension, go back and read the stream again, because your thinking is clearly off base and adds zero to the discussion, it seems that is you who is deliberately trying to quash legitimate political discussion and analysis.
As for anyone asking what I meant, I find absolutely ridiculous when I said what I meant and meant what I said. Clearly, black people here can do very little for the Diaspora as long as we are running around here trying to be upstairs, downstairs, porch, garden, and lawn knee-grows on Mr. Bobo's plantation...even if massa gets sick and the top house knee-grow takes charge. Again "Dr.," it was Harriet Tubman that spoke to our sad mental state when she said that she could have freed thousands of our people from slavery if only they had understood that they were slaves and the America is one big plantation. If you and the sister would take these things into account, that is the most important action we can all begin with, so don't try to attack me personally as that other fool did talking about a pic ( I could put any pic up there and it would not change the content of my ideas), get off of the petit and move to the substance.
So, simply put
You want to be master of the plantation and everybody that doesn't wish to help you attain that goal is "the enemy" of all black people?
Wrong. How you came up with that conclusion is beyond me, have you been inhaling that crap in the can you are holding? My plan? Part of my plan is not be afraid of challenging ourselves to think differently, more clearly and more critically about our role in world events, which I find sorely lacking in many of our discussions, such as was the case as to the meaning of Obama. And what you did not understand and maybe still do not get is that his campaign turned Malcolm's analogy of the "house negro and the field negro" on it head, whereby it has led many of our people into feeling more vested in not only staying on the plantation, but "hoping, dreaming, and praying" for its salvation more than white folk. Rush said that he hopes Obama fails, when it is his house that is on fire, but here we go fighting harder to put out the fire quicker than massa, because a head negro is in charge.
Stop sniffing that crap in that can man, its got your perspective all screwed up, m position is not to become the "master" of any plantation, nor for us to continue identifying with and supporting the plantation system, but doing everything possible to get as many of us to understand that it is just that and works against our interest, no matter what color massa might make himself. Now, we are inspired to raise the next generation of house niggas, kitchen niggas, porch monkeys, lawn jockeys, and garden variety knee-grows. Don't you be one.
It's just a Belgian beer bottle, hand painted to look like porcelain. The bottle itself is worth far more than what it contained as a consumable. The thought, the thing that makes what it produced a valuable and trade worthy commodity, is what I'm interested in. So, it's in my art collection.
Obama's greatest purpose could simply be to make us more able to see what we can be and are capable of, individually and collectively.
To help us understand that the greatest things that we are denied are internal.
Perhaps what he can do is make people realize that everything they have is a product of thought. And never in the history of mankind has the inventor or creator of a thing been the same person that produces that thing in mass.
Insulting professional thinkers is denying the first step in the process of getting whatever you want to where you want it to be.
You can't win a war without thinkers,
You can't enslave nations without thinkers
You can't even collect the information that you use for arguments without thinkers.
Like this board, so full of shit slinging. "Niggah this Nigga that", One thing we must appreciate is that a nigger is only going to do what they are forced to do.
So, if I draw a map or a schematic and write out the instructions. The leader is the person that can read, understand, repeat and follow the instructions.
Because I don't have time to break every explanation down to easy to digest bits and pieces of information for everyone that has a question. I have to get back to the work of thinking.
I get paid to think, others get paid to execute what I've thought up.
There's no shortage of people that want to be leaders. What we lack are people that can understand what others think and translate those designs to the masses.
I understand how these processes could be out of your reach.
nope
its not that black & white for most of us
we participate in the process
because whether you like it or not you are in it
and it effect you too; even with this ideology
I understand
but if your children go to school in Amerikkka
and you buy gas, groceries and pay for traffic tickets or ride metro
you are involved
and the thing is to know that freedom aint free
your ass is being taxed
whether you like it or not
so participate and let Obama know what you require
he is not the begin all nor the end all
Remember.FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE"
WELL BROTHA
INFORCE THAT
BE PART OF
STOP COMPLAINING AND GET IN WHERE YOU FEEL YOU FIT AND DO SOME DAMAGE
BLACK POWER!
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How to expand that freedom and how to enjoy those freedoms
I guess you're right. There's not a lot of talk about that is there?
Had you ever pondered the notion that you may be "the oppressor"?
That something you utilize or consume enslaves another human being?
Chances are that thought never even crosses your mind.
But most of us are quite guilty of doing just that. And because it is not our intent most of us are totally, intentionally, sometimes brutally abusively oblivious and in denial of our misuses of other human beings.
Let's be truthful
either you own the plantation
work on the plantation
consume the products of the plantation or
you're a bum
Like Siddhartha, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed
Freedom is not really all that damned convenient.
And liberation requires you have something equal to trade for the manufactured things you desire.
The important part is how you treat the people that provide the things that sustain your living.
And this is why actively thinking people are wealthier than actively laboring people, because there are so few of one and so many of the others.
This is why rhetoric and logic are important, because without them you can't have collaboration.
"My Firend" as John McCain is fond of saying with his face all in your head, what does it matter whether I post a pic of myself or not in order for your brain, mind, and soul to absorb the words that I speak. If you believe in "God," "Supreme Creator," or whatever, do you question the wisdom of the messages sent to you because you do not have a physical image of its source. You make me want to call you an asshole or an agent, but perhaps you are just an idiot.
In the spirit of black liberation I would rather you call me names then have you man -handle the sister. Black women are not designed by nature to go toe to toe and word for word with you but you and i can talk.
To begin with I replied to you with less than 3 sentences and yet you wasted no time in returning my reply with profanity and name calling.
That tells me a lot about your emotional and impulsive disposition and lack of communication skills. So then, why the hell are you here?
Enoch Mubarak
President & CEO Mubarak Inter-prizes
www.mubarakinter-prizes.com
That is precisely what I think we need to ask this Brother--why IS he here? He professes to disdain 'discussion' rather than 'action', yet says this on a DISCUSSION site. The sister quite rightly asked him to define what he is talking about, whay he wants for the Diaspora (what would be WORKABLE for the children of Afrika?). Yet, he ignores this challenge from her. You made a legitimate point that given what e is laying down, why doesn't he show us his face, and he attacks you.
I say he is deliberately meaning to provoke hostility to disable discussion. Any fool knows that before collective action can be taken, we must talk to each other, and take into account what each of us thinks, wants, and hopes for, otherwise we are merely reconstituting the domination of our master, who does not know how to LEAD but only how to enslave.
Brother Xaviar, Sister Aisha is a free soul that you propose to lead, to inspire, to liberate from the 'plantation'? Why, then, does she not have the right to ask you what you mean, what your plan is, what place she has in it? Why don't you answer her, if liberation is really what you believe in? Everyone on this site is listening. We TALK here. You might do well to do less talking about action and more listening to those you exhort to acting.
Dr. Rayfield A. Waller
As for anyone asking what I meant, I find absolutely ridiculous when I said what I meant and meant what I said. Clearly, black people here can do very little for the Diaspora as long as we are running around here trying to be upstairs, downstairs, porch, garden, and lawn knee-grows on Mr. Bobo's plantation...even if massa gets sick and the top house knee-grow takes charge. Again "Dr.," it was Harriet Tubman that spoke to our sad mental state when she said that she could have freed thousands of our people from slavery if only they had understood that they were slaves and the America is one big plantation. If you and the sister would take these things into account, that is the most important action we can all begin with, so don't try to attack me personally as that other fool did talking about a pic ( I could put any pic up there and it would not change the content of my ideas), get off of the petit and move to the substance.
You want to be master of the plantation and everybody that doesn't wish to help you attain that goal is "the enemy" of all black people?
So, what's your plan?
Stop sniffing that crap in that can man, its got your perspective all screwed up, m position is not to become the "master" of any plantation, nor for us to continue identifying with and supporting the plantation system, but doing everything possible to get as many of us to understand that it is just that and works against our interest, no matter what color massa might make himself. Now, we are inspired to raise the next generation of house niggas, kitchen niggas, porch monkeys, lawn jockeys, and garden variety knee-grows. Don't you be one.
Obama's greatest purpose could simply be to make us more able to see what we can be and are capable of, individually and collectively.
To help us understand that the greatest things that we are denied are internal.
Perhaps what he can do is make people realize that everything they have is a product of thought. And never in the history of mankind has the inventor or creator of a thing been the same person that produces that thing in mass.
Insulting professional thinkers is denying the first step in the process of getting whatever you want to where you want it to be.
You can't win a war without thinkers,
You can't enslave nations without thinkers
You can't even collect the information that you use for arguments without thinkers.
Like this board, so full of shit slinging. "Niggah this Nigga that", One thing we must appreciate is that a nigger is only going to do what they are forced to do.
So, if I draw a map or a schematic and write out the instructions. The leader is the person that can read, understand, repeat and follow the instructions.
Because I don't have time to break every explanation down to easy to digest bits and pieces of information for everyone that has a question. I have to get back to the work of thinking.
I get paid to think, others get paid to execute what I've thought up.
There's no shortage of people that want to be leaders. What we lack are people that can understand what others think and translate those designs to the masses.
I understand how these processes could be out of your reach.
its not that black & white for most of us
we participate in the process
because whether you like it or not you are in it
and it effect you too; even with this ideology
I understand
but if your children go to school in Amerikkka
and you buy gas, groceries and pay for traffic tickets or ride metro
you are involved
and the thing is to know that freedom aint free
your ass is being taxed
whether you like it or not
so participate and let Obama know what you require
he is not the begin all nor the end all
Remember.FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE"
WELL BROTHA
INFORCE THAT
BE PART OF
STOP COMPLAINING AND GET IN WHERE YOU FEEL YOU FIT AND DO SOME DAMAGE
BLACK POWER!
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